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You make some really good points about Maiden Rose--the way the rapes are handled in the story is unique, and at no point are you asked to forgive Klaus for what he did. Also, I DO believe the rapes are an important part of the story, because the love story is supposed to be heartbreaking and reading all the flashback chapters after their relationship turns hateful is super heart-breaking.
But I maintain that Volume 1 overdid it. Those rapes were too "porny"--the dirty talk during them and the poses and stuff were clearly meant to titillate, and by the end of Vol 1 I thought the series was only for cheap, violent thrills. When I read Vol 2, Vol 1 made a lot more sense and I gave the mangaka the benefit of the doubt. I know what she was TRYING to do with Volume 1, but I think she missed it and fell into rape cliche. But Volume 2+ are magic. And you brought up a lot of reasons why it's such magic. Thank you for endorsing it and making me sound less like a crazy person.
And I don't think Tyrant brushed off its own rape! The reason I got into that series is because there's a nasty, satisfying fallout after the first rape, and the Tyrant had to seriously consider whether or not he wanted to break off his relationship because of it. The sex after that is definitely "blackmail" territory, but it's not rape, and this isn't a major spoiler of the recent end of the series, but the Tyrant himself brings that up later--that except for the first time, he had the power to end the sex and he never did, even though he constantly bitched about it. Tyrant is all a power-balance romantic comedy, anyway, and the sex falls into the realm of "hate-fucking" in a way. I know that's not for everyone, but I'm really surprised how much people brush it off for being too edgy when they'll read mainstream yaoi that is GENUINELY brush-off about assault (like World's Greatest First Love, by the author of Junjou Romantica). Oh, well.
Nice comment, rainwalk. Glad you liked the episode.
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Re: Maiden Rose
Date: 2011-11-23 02:33 pm (UTC)You make some really good points about Maiden Rose--the way the rapes are handled in the story is unique, and at no point are you asked to forgive Klaus for what he did. Also, I DO believe the rapes are an important part of the story, because the love story is supposed to be heartbreaking and reading all the flashback chapters after their relationship turns hateful is super heart-breaking.
But I maintain that Volume 1 overdid it. Those rapes were too "porny"--the dirty talk during them and the poses and stuff were clearly meant to titillate, and by the end of Vol 1 I thought the series was only for cheap, violent thrills. When I read Vol 2, Vol 1 made a lot more sense and I gave the mangaka the benefit of the doubt. I know what she was TRYING to do with Volume 1, but I think she missed it and fell into rape cliche. But Volume 2+ are magic. And you brought up a lot of reasons why it's such magic. Thank you for endorsing it and making me sound less like a crazy person.
And I don't think Tyrant brushed off its own rape! The reason I got into that series is because there's a nasty, satisfying fallout after the first rape, and the Tyrant had to seriously consider whether or not he wanted to break off his relationship because of it. The sex after that is definitely "blackmail" territory, but it's not rape, and this isn't a major spoiler of the recent end of the series, but the Tyrant himself brings that up later--that except for the first time, he had the power to end the sex and he never did, even though he constantly bitched about it. Tyrant is all a power-balance romantic comedy, anyway, and the sex falls into the realm of "hate-fucking" in a way. I know that's not for everyone, but I'm really surprised how much people brush it off for being too edgy when they'll read mainstream yaoi that is GENUINELY brush-off about assault (like World's Greatest First Love, by the author of Junjou Romantica). Oh, well.
Nice comment, rainwalk. Glad you liked the episode.